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Vegeta and Piccolo
Topic Started: Jul 5 2013, 10:07 AM (1,132 Views)
Professor Freeza
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Well , Vegeta [Post Krillin Zenkai] was much , much stronger than Namek Piccolo . That power gap did get reduced in the Trunks saga , but i was still probably a decent gap . Then , in the Android saga , how did Piccolo come near SSj Vegeta ? Evidently , Vegeta trained Harder than Piccolo and then got SSj . So , Vegeta as all his strength in his Base + his SSJ Form as an addition . My question is , if Vegeta was training harder and more than piccolo , why is it that Piccolo come near SSj Vegeta and not Base vegeta ? And even if piccolo turned the table on Base Vegeta , Android saga Base Vegeta should be near Piccolo than Piccolo being near to SSj Vegeta . Why did this happen ?

And please , in-universe answers only . We all know that the straight answer could be "plot" but i dont want that .
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Most logical explanation is that Piccolo trained with SSJ Goku, and that his potential greatly incrised from fusing with Nail.

Btw i don't belive that Piccolo would be that strong if he didn't trained with SSJ Goku.

Gains are much bigger if you train with someone who can give you such huge gains trough training.
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Alex D. Boss
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Piccolo was already before the Android Arc close to Vegeta.

In Trunks Arc , he was confident to take on Vegeta by himself, meaning that he should be closer by now. There is also a question of Goku asking who defeated Frieza ; Vegeta or Piccolo.
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Like Super Vegetto said, all Piccolo's gains were from being pushed to his limits by SSJ Goku. SSJ Vegeta had no one to push his limits that far, I'm pretty sure he'd be stronger in base than Piccolo if he trained with SSJ Goku.
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Professor Gohan
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Goku spent a lot of his own time of training and improving giving it to Piccolo and Gohan. Piccolo's gains, reaching up to the SSJ tier at the time, seems logical enough since it was said that Piccolo was just as hungry to get stronger as Goku and Vegeta. An alien type of thing at the time.

If I'm not mistaken, Gohan made some good gains through the training as well, making it an easier case for Piccolo. I'm sure they both saw a lot of SSJ Goku, so that should help them both greatly. Especially Piccolo here.
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Training with someone much stronger than you gives huge gains. Piccolo trained with SSJ Goku which was a better training method.

Plus Vegeta focusing solely on training to become a SSJ and not focusing on training his Base power like Piccolo.

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Its shown in the manga, unlike anime filler, Piccolo and Gohan, fight ssj Goku to train. Piccolo is making gains for 2 and its arguable Nail had his potential unlocked to be that much stronger than the other nameks. Likewise Gohan had his potential unlocked and a zenkai, just was never taught by Goku how to trigger the transformation
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Kblo247
Jul 5 2013, 12:20 PM
Its shown in the manga, unlike anime filler, Piccolo and Gohan, fight ssj Goku to train. Piccolo is making gains for 2 and its arguable Nail had his potential unlocked to be that much stronger than the other nameks. Likewise Gohan had his potential unlocked and a zenkai, just was never taught by Goku how to trigger the transformation
Where did you even find that part where SSj Goku trains with Gohan and Piccolo ? Why make things up ?
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Professor Freeza
Jul 5 2013, 01:12 PM
Kblo247
Jul 5 2013, 12:20 PM
Its shown in the manga, unlike anime filler, Piccolo and Gohan, fight ssj Goku to train. Piccolo is making gains for 2 and its arguable Nail had his potential unlocked to be that much stronger than the other nameks. Likewise Gohan had his potential unlocked and a zenkai, just was never taught by Goku how to trigger the transformation
Where did you even find that part where SSj Goku trains with Gohan and Piccolo ? Why make things up ?
The three of them do train for a time, but I believe the emphasis was more on Gohan.
Regardless, Piccolo would have no doubt benefited from this training, more so than vegeta who always trained solo. His fusions will have helped too.
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Alex D. Boss
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Piccolo is a Boss in those Arc's. He is damn underrated when it comes to his power state.

Piccolo isn't dumb to challenge Vegeta. In Frieza Arc , he knew his steps , and knew Vegeta being stronger would kill him , so only protected Gohan and Krillin from him rather than talking big.

But in Trunks Arc, it was completely different. He would like to have a decent fight , and was confident to smack the shet out of his pink shirt. Not only him , but Tien was also the one who liked to have a fight against Vegeta , not that he was his level , but was shown to improve himself after KingKai training. Just a Pov though.
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Jul 5 2013, 01:27 PM
Professor Freeza
Jul 5 2013, 01:12 PM
Kblo247
Jul 5 2013, 12:20 PM
Its shown in the manga, unlike anime filler, Piccolo and Gohan, fight ssj Goku to train. Piccolo is making gains for 2 and its arguable Nail had his potential unlocked to be that much stronger than the other nameks. Likewise Gohan had his potential unlocked and a zenkai, just was never taught by Goku how to trigger the transformation
Where did you even find that part where SSj Goku trains with Gohan and Piccolo ? Why make things up ?
The three of them do train for a time, but I believe the emphasis was more on Gohan.
Regardless, Piccolo would have no doubt benefited from this training, more so than vegeta who always trained solo. His fusions will have helped too.
I know they trained , but do you find it believable that Goku will go SSj to train Gohan ?
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Goku using SSj to train with Piccolo and Gohan comes from a title page.
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Professor Gohan
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I wish I could find scenes like that in the anime. But iirc, yes, they got beneficial training straight from the Legendary SSJ himself.
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Easiest answer, even before the fusion with Nail, Piccolo (usually) makes the largest training gains out of the cast. By the Trunks Saga, Piccolo caught up to Vegeta in power. By the time the Andriods arrive, he had also been training with Goku and Gohan.

Before the series committed to the "Saiyans Rule" ideology, I'd be willing to make the argument that no one in the series is a better trainer than Piccolo.
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DEY DID DIS 2 ME
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MY FACE!

Piccolo had very little time to utilize what he had learned at Kaio's before he was wished back into a slew of events. The time after Freeza and into the AI allowed Piccolo to use what he took from Kaio's to train; we don't know when Vegeta gets a gravity machine, just that he get one that reaches 400G only when Future Trunks warns about the cyborgs.

Regardless, when Son Goku asks who defeats Freeza, he mentions either Vegeta or Piccolo as candidates. [jk]He looks over to Ten as well, so I'm guess that Ten > Clearin, but that's up for some primetime debate, and I'd love to see that happen, except that I probably won't open that topic.[/jk]

So take that as you will.
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